Showing posts with label Revelation. Show all posts
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Thursday, July 2, 2020

Revelation Day 30

Revelation: It's a Letter!

Day 30

B. Hodge, M.Sc., B.Sc., PEI

Biblical Authority Ministries, July 2, 2020 (Donate)

Do something few ever do: read the book of Revelation in its entirety in one sitting…it is a letter after all. Imagine yourself “in the shoes” of these seven churches, undergoing persecution by the Jews and the Roman Beast—who were often being stirred up by the Jews (e.g., Acts 13:50, 14:2, 17:13, 21:27). Peter and Paul were persecuted (and were about to be killed) by Emperor Nero.

John had been banished to Patmos. The church was under attack from nearly every direction. Just hearing from John would have been an incredible blessing—knowing he was alive. This is how many of John’s recipients would have read this letter.

Final appeal: Be in prayer about the church to get back to the Bible as the absolute authority in every area including issues surrounding Revelation (Revelation 1:3). Much of the church today ignores Revelation thinking it is too hard to understand, so they don’t even try.

Others in the church try to interpret the pages of Revelation in light of modern news headlines. Usually such human-based interpretations have left Christians more confused and fail to understand the basic themes in Revelation.

Few seem to realize that the pages of Scripture itself should interpret Revelation. Many Old Testament books could easily be interpreted by looking forward to New Testament books. Many suspect that Revelation should look forward to interpretations, hence looking to things outside the Bible (modern headlines for example). But with Revelation, unlike prophetic books of the Old Testament, one needs to look back over the pages of the Bible, from Moses forward, to understand its judgment and theme. 

Keep in mind what this is all about too. It is not just about “some basics” about Revelation, but it is about Jesus Christ. The Triune God[1] (one God who is three persons—the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit) made a perfect world (Genesis 1:31, Deuteronomy 32:4) and in Adam’s sin we all fell into sin (Romans 5:12) and the punishment for sin is death (Romans 6:23) and ultimately culminating in Hell, the eternal punishment/death (Matthew 10:28; Matthew 25:46), which is separation from all of God’s goodness and having the wrath of God upon unrepentant sinners forever (John 3:36).

But a loving God stepped into history to become a man (Philippians 2:8; Colossians 1:15-19) and die the death we all deserve (1 Corinthians 15:3). Jesus Christ did not remain in the grave, but rose again (John 10:18, Acts 10:40; 1 Corinthians 15:4) and Christians will rise again for all eternity (John 6:39-54) and enjoy a “new heavens and a new earth” with God and all of God’s goodness (Revelation 21:1-4). God now commands all people to repent (Acts 17:30).

Repent and believe in Jesus Christ and His resurrection and you will be saved (John 3:16; Romans 10:9, Acts 16:30-31, et cetera). If you have not considered this, please do so. May God bless you.

 This concludes this brief study.

 Recommendations for Further Reading

If you likes this brief study and want to know more, there is a lot more I could suggest but in the spirit of keeping things precise, I suggest these resources:

  •  Professor Doug Kelly, PhD., Revelation: A Mentor Expository Commentary
  •  Baptist Pastor and Evangelist John Bray, Matthew 24 Fulfilled
  •  Presbyterian Minister Kenneth Gentry, ThD., The Book of Revelation Made Easy or his more technical Revelation commentary: The Divorce of Israel: A Redemptive-Historical Interpretation of Revelation (co-publishing by Tolle Lege Press and American Vision)

 



[1] For more see: Hodge, B., God is Triune, Answers in Genesis website, Feb. 20, 2008, http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/2008/02/20/god-is-triune.


Friday, June 12, 2020

Revelation Day 21


Who are the two witnesses (Revelation 11:3)?

Day 21  

B. Hodge, M.Sc., B.Sc., PEI

Biblical Authority Ministries, June 12, 2020 (Donate)

When Israel and Judah (again, that is, Israel collectively) were judged previously for her sin, and sent into captivity there were also two witnesses according to Nehemiah 9:26.

 "Nevertheless they were disobedient And rebelled against You, Cast Your law behind their backs And killed Your prophets, who testified against them To turn them to Yourself; And they worked great provocations. (NKJV, emphasis added)

The Law of Moses (by the prophet Moses) and the rest of the Old Testament by the mouth of the Prophets (Luke 24:27) both testified against Israel and her adulteries again. The witnesses were these two as Paul says in Romans 3:21. Keep in mind other passages that confirm this such as Luke 16:29-31 and Acts 26:22. There is no reason to assume that the two witnesses at Israel’s judgment this time are any different.

As a clarifying note, the prophets were forerunners to apostles who now share that office and supersede it in the church as direct representatives for Christ, as opposed to merely mouthpieces of God (Hebrews 1:1-5, Luke 11:49, 1 Corinthians 12:28, Ephesians 3:5, and 2 Peter 3:2). Prophets also existed in the New Testament but the authority of the apostles was above that of prophets (e.g., Acts 13:1). And God’s vengeance upon the Jews satisfied the complaints of the prophets and apostles in Revelation 18:20. 

A brief description of the two witnesses includes, “They have the power to shut the sky, that no rain may fall during the days of their prophesying, and they have power over the waters to turn them into blood and to strike the earth with every kind of plague, as often as they desire.” (Revelation 11:6). These are clearly the marks of prophets (e.g., prophesying for example) including the finger prints of prophets like Moses (plagues on Egypt) and Elijah (shutting up the rain). 

The two witnesses are described as two olive trees and two lampstands (Revelation 11:4). The two olive trees and two lampstands are discussed in Zechariah 4:1-14. The olive trees are the Word of the Lord (Zechariah 4:3-6). The lampstands that are fed by the olive trees that feed the lampstands with two gold pipes and oil drains are called the “anointed ones” (Zechariah 4:11-14). Scriptures called the prophets the “anointed ones” in 1 Chronicles 16:22 and Psalm 105:15.

For judgment, it required two or three witnesses (e.g., Deuteronomy 17:6, 19:15, Matthew 18:16, 2 Corinthians 13:1, 1 Timothy 5:19, Hebrews 10:28). Where the Jews found two false witnesses to come forward to put Jesus to death (Matthew 26:59-60), God used two witnesses to confirm the harlotry of ungodly Israel and Jerusalem—the Word of God, beginning with Moses and prophets—which is collectively the Old Testament. These are the two witnesses called against those who killed the Lord.


Thursday, June 4, 2020

Revelation Day 16


When Christ comes in the clouds (Matthew 24:30; Matthew 26:64; Mark 13:26; Mark 14:62; Revelation 1:7), is that the end of it all?

Day 16

B. Hodge, M.Sc., B.Sc., PEI

Biblical Authority Ministries, June 4, 2020 (Donate)

A number of times in the Old Testament, the Lord appeared in the clouds and led the way or made statements from it (e.g., Exodus 24:14-18, Numbers 9:21, and Matthew 17:5). In many cases, though, clouds and judgment often went hand in hand.

A few of these judgments in clouds are in Exodus 14:23-25; Daniel 7:13; Jeremiah 4:13; Joel 2:1-3; Numbers 12:5-10, Isaiah 19:1; and Ezekiel 38:9-13. Yet the world did not end then. But it did put judgment to something or someone. 

The clouds are often representative of the dust (of armies), as well as the burning and cloud of smoke (of fallen cities) as a testimony of the destruction – things that can be seen in the distance. Some examples of this principle in Scripture are Jeremiah 21:12, Judges 20:37-40, Genesis 19:28, Psalm 11:6, Isaiah 14:31, Isaiah 34:10, Nahum 2:13, Joel 2:30, and Joshua 8:20. Consider this with regards to Revelation 18:18.

When the Lord came in judgment on the clouds, it was directed against the Jews/Jerusalem and the Temple – which was utterly destroyed by the Roman army and left to burn in A.D. 70. After all, they killed the Lord and rejected Him. And the Lord enacted judgment after a remnant of them had come to know Christ. Matthew 27:25 have the Jews in unison calling for the death of Jesus saying:

And all the people answered and said, “His blood be on us and on our children.”

The blood of all the prophets that were pointing toward Christ was charged to that first century generation of Jews (Luke 11:50-51). So this caps that the blood of the ultimate prophet, Jesus Christ, was on them as well. They asked for it.

Note the parallel here. The Jews killed the Son of God and then demanded that the blood of Christ be on them and their children. And when judgment came, it was reflected on them…and their children. They essentially offered up their own sons (and daughters) to be judged after killing the Son of God.

This was truly the end of the age when the Temple was destroyed and Jerusalem left desolate. The Mosaic sacrificial system was no more, thus the end of all the things to which the Jews were accustomed. With Christ’s sacrifice being sufficient, it ended the [now] unnecessary sacrificial system and performed duties associated with the sanctuary.  


Friday, May 29, 2020

Revelation Day 12



Does Revelation reveal to the readers that there is indeed imagery and that that imagery requires interpretation?  

Does the parable of the vineyard have anything to do with Revelation? 

What did the Jews look for in the Messiah?

Day 12

B. Hodge, M.Sc., B.Sc., PEI

Biblical Authority Ministries, May 29, 2020 (Donate)

Yes, there is immense amounts of imagery: Revelation 1:12-20; 4:6; 5:5-13; 7:14; 9:7; 9:17; 12:3-4; 12:14-15; 13:11; 14:15; 16:13; 17:6-15; 19:15; 21:10, 21:16.  Take note that interpretations given were expected to settle any issues.

The parable of the vineyard does indeed relate. Compare Matthew 21:33-45 with Revelation 1:7 and Luke 19:41-44. According to Isaiah 5:1-16, Israel is the vineyard. Other parables may also hint at this such as the culmination in Matthew 22:7 of the wedding banquet. 

The Jews were looking for a Messiah to be a powerful military leader to set up an earthly kingdom. This is similar to Dispensational Pre-millennialism of today, where the belief is that Christ will return and set up a military kingdom that will conquer the world by sword, then, as some have stated, will be driven back to Jerusalem for a final battle. In the dispensational understanding, Christ was supposed to have been crowned king 2,000 years ago, but since the Jews rejected him as king, then we are waiting for this to happen in the future.   

After Jesus miraculously fed five thousand, the Jews tried to take Jesus and make Him their king. Jesus, knowing this, instead withdrew to the mountainside (John 6:14-15) and avoided them.

If this were not enough, Jesus made it clear that His Kingdom was not meant to be an earthly kingdom when He said to Pilate in John 18:36, “Jesus answered, "My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so that I should not be delivered to the Jews; but now My kingdom is not from here” (NKJV).

Christ is currently King and sitting on the Throne of God at the right hand of the Father. All authority on heaven and earth have already been given to Him upon the resurrection. Christ does not need to set up a kingdom on earth again since He is currently the King of Kings and has all authority in this world already (Matthew 28:18, 1 Timothy 6:13-16, Revelation 19:16). 


Thursday, May 28, 2020

Revelation Day 11



Should Revelation be taken literally? And if a first century audience was supposed to understand Revelation, shouldn’t we limit our interpretations to events and literature of that day?

Day 11

B. Hodge, M.Sc., B.Sc., PEI

Biblical Authority Ministries, May 28, 2020 (Donate)

First, no one takes the entire book of Revelation in an absolute/wooden literal sense (e.g., “beasts” has previously been interpreted in Scripture as world empires [e.g., Daniel 7:23], so the beast in Revelation is without doubt talking of an empire). So the issue is not about Revelation being literal but how much should be seen as literal and how much is imagery and metaphorical. We have previously seen that Scripture should be taken plainly/straightforward so this makes sense–taking Revelation in the sense it is written--which is prophetic writing.

Other writings by John that are generally literal historical narrative have metaphorical meanings sprinkled within (John 2:19-20; 3:3-10; 8:31-36; 18:33-37; adults called “little children” in 1 John, among others). So we should expect metaphorical allusions by John in Revelation. These need to be recognized by other passages of Scripture (Scripture interprets Scripture). 

Regarding the second question, yes, this makes the most sense for the bulk of the events. Of course, there are events that are to take place at the end and all agree on those (e.g., the curse is removed in Revelation 22:3 [Genesis 3:17, Roman 8:20-22]; no more crying, Revelation 21:4, et cetera).

But it would be unwise to turn on modern news sources and use that information to interpret themes contained in the book of Revelation. If one does look to references outside of Scripture, then it should be limited as much as possible to 1st century writings.   

Re-read Revelation 1-4:1  

Wednesday, May 27, 2020

Revelation Day 10



Are the sun, moon, and stars in Revelation in reference to the literal sun, moon, and the stars (Revelation 6:12, 8:12, and 12:1)?

Day 10

B. Hodge, M.Sc., B.Sc., PEI

Biblical Authority Ministries, May 27, 2020 (Donate)

The context indicates something that yields a metaphorical nature. Here are the verses in question:

Revelation 6:12  I looked when He opened the sixth seal, and behold, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became like blood.
Revelation 8:12  Then the fourth angel sounded: And a third of the sun was struck, a third of the moon, and a third of the stars, so that a third of them were darkened. A third of the day did not shine, and likewise the night.
Revelation 12:1  Now a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a garland of twelve stars. (NKJV)

Phrases such as the “woman clothed with the sun”, the “moon became like blood”, the “sun became black”, a “third of the sun was stuck and it only shown a third of the day”, help us realize that this needs to be interpreted by other Scriptures and not in a “wooden” literal sense.

Acts 2:20 nearly mimics where the “the sun shall be turned into darkness, And the moon into blood”. The Gospel accounts in the context of tribulation and the Temple’s and Jerusalem’s destruction say:

Matthew 24:29  "Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
Mark 13:24-25  "But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; "the stars of heaven will fall, and the powers in the heavens will be shaken.
Luke 21:25  "And there will be signs in the sun, in the moon, and in the stars; and on the earth distress of nations, with perplexity, the sea and the waves roaring; (NKJV)

But this is still not the first metaphorical use of Sun, Moon, and Stars. Such things were prophesied previously by Joel in 2:10; 2:31; and 3:15. Other prophets use this imagery as well such as Isaiah in 13:10. So where is this imagery from? The answer is in Genesis. The first use of a metaphorical nature of the Sun, Moon, and Stars is:

Genesis 37:9-10
Then he dreamed still another dream and told it to his brothers, and said, "Look, I have dreamed another dream. And this time, the sun, the moon, and the eleven stars bowed down to me." So he told it to his father and his brothers; and his father [Israel] rebuked him and said to him, "What is this dream that you have dreamed? Shall your mother and I and your brothers indeed come to bow down to the earth before you?" (NKJV)

This image of Israel (i.e., Jacob and the twelve tribes) were seen as the sun, moon, and stars collectively. So the meaning reveals itself that Israel will be darkened (e.g., Matthew 21:33-44Matthew 23:31-39) and turned to blood as Jesus indicated would happen with their destruction.

Tuesday, May 26, 2020

Revelation Day 9


Are We Living In The “End Times”?

Day 9

B. Hodge, M.Sc., B.Sc., PEI

Biblical Authority Ministries, May 26, 2020 (Donate)

In the book of Daniel, there are passages discussing the time of the end (e.g., Daniel 8:17-26; 12:4-9). This is but a precursor of the Bible passages that discuss the end times.

In the New Testament, the Bible pinpoints the beginning of the end times. The "last days" began just under 2,000 years ago (Acts 2:17 confirming the instigation of the end times from the prophet Joel in Joel 2:28-32), Hebrews 1:2 [“last days”], and James 5:3 [“last days”]).

Another passage alluding to the end times is 2 Timothy 3:1-4, where Timothy is told to avoid those people infiltrating in these “last days” whose heart is not focused on Christ and the fruits of the Spirit. There will be more on the day of judgment/last day in Days 16 and 18.  


Monday, May 25, 2020

Revelation Day 8



When is the tribulation to take place? Were the churches that John was writing to undergoing persecution, suffering, and tribulation as well?

Day 8

B. Hodge, M.Sc., B.Sc., PEI

Biblical Authority Ministries, May 25, 2020 (Donate)

Many places in Revelation indicate the churches were already undergoing tribulation and suffering: Revelation 2:9-10; 3:9-10; 6:9-11; 11:7-18; 12:10; 13:10; 14:11-13; 16:5-6; 17:6; 18:20-24; 19:2; 20:4-6.

According to John, he is living in the tribulation as of the writing of the book of Revelation (Revelation 1:9). Furthermore, Jesus previously told the disciples in Matthew 24:9 that they will be delivered “up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake.”

And so this confirms that the apostles, such as John, will be in it. John was banished to Patmos (where he wrote Revelation) for Christ’s name’s sake (Revelation 1:9). Peter and Paul were killed by the Roman emperor, Nero, per early Christian historian Eusebius (II.25).

Mark 13:19-24 also confirms that disciples will be in the tribulation. Even Paul informed those at Thessalonica that the tribulation would come and had forewarned them. He writes to them while they were undergoing it (1 Thessalonians 3:1-6). So this should call into question the interpretation that the recipients of the letter of Revelation would have had in mind a tribulation in the far future.

Read Revelation 10:11-18:24. (Yes again, this seems like a lot to read but remember once again, it is only a small part of a letter—Day 26 will help explain some of the imagery here but I wanted you to have an initial read in preparation.)

Sunday, May 24, 2020

Revelation Day 7



Should the letter of Revelation have been understandable to the recipients?

Day 7

B. Hodge, M.Sc., B.Sc., PEI

Biblical Authority Ministries, May 24, 2020 (Donate)

The seven churches were to whom the book of Revelation was written. So they should have been able to understand it. Revelation 1:1-3 indicates that this letter was written as an unveiling or disclosing, which is the meaning of “Revelation”, to those it was written. In Revelation 1:1, it is to “to show His servants—things which must shortly take place”.

In Revelation 1:3, it says “Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written in it.” So logically, they needed to understand it if they were to keep it.

Read Revelation 5-10:10. (Yes, you are right, this seems like a lot to read but remember, it is only a small part of a letter after all.)

Saturday, May 23, 2020

Revelation Day 6



According to Revelation, when were the prophecies to take place?

Day 6   

B. Hodge, M.Sc., B.Sc., PEI

Biblical Authority Ministries, May 23, 2020 (Donate)

“Soon”, “quickly”, “the time is near”, or “time is at hand” per Revelation 1:1, 1:3, 2:16, 3:11, 22:6, and 22:10. But also consider other potential interpretive passages for being at hand, end of the ages, near, etc., in other portions of Scripture such as Matthew 26:18; John 2:13; Luke 21:20, 1 Corinthians 10:9-11, 1 Peter 4:7, and James 5:7-8.

New Testament Christians were being prepared for something that was soon to happen. It would seem outrageous that Christians receiving the New Testament letters, including Revelation, would read these “near time” indicators and assume this was thousands of years into the future. 

In the Old Testament, when Daniel was confused about certain issues presented to him, the Lord said to seal up (i.e., shut up the prophecy) similar in reference to Job 41:15. The prophecy (e.g., Daniel 8:26, 12:4) pertained to the distance future. Unlike Daniel, the Lord informs John not to seal up (Revelation 22:10) the prophecy of the book of Revelation (though there was one instance where John was not to record something but instead seal that up). But this helps us realize the imminence in timing of the prophecies to a first century reader in the seven churches. 

When the Lord Jesus spoke to Peter in John 21:18-22 prophesying about His coming, He made it clear that Peter would die before His coming. And the disciple that Jesus loved may remain.  Peter knowing his end is in sight in 2 Peter 1:14-17, reiterated that coming of the Lord had not happened yet as he was still alive. This is why cleverly devised schemes saying the Lord had come were false (e.g., 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4). This puts the date of the Lord’s comin in judgment against the Great City/Jerusalem after Peter’s death (A.D. 68, by Nero) but before the death of John (This is not to be confused with the Second of Christ).

This also reveals that in many instances a first century understanding of the “coming of the Lord” in the context of judgment is not in reference to an end of the world, last day event. They were under the impression that the Lord had come, and yet the world hadn’t ended. These are two unique events: the coming judgment on the Jews and the Second Coming of the Lord Jesus Christ.   


Revelation Day 5



How should Revelation be interpreted?

Day 5

B. Hodge, M.Sc., B.Sc., PEI

Biblical Authority Ministries, May 22, 2020 (Donate)

It is written as prophecy, so it should be interpreted as prophecy. Proverbs 8:8-9, 2 Corinthians 4:2, and so on indicate that the Word of God should be taken plainly/straightforward. With this, metaphors are metaphors, songs are songs, literal history is literal history, prophecy is prophecy, and so on. 

So it would be unwise to interpret Revelation as anything other than prophecy and this makes it a unique book among the New Testament collection. In every case, one should keep in mind context and culture, and thus, take the grammatical, historical approach where Scripture interprets Scripture, so when in doubt, always go with clear passages to interpret passages that are unclear (Acts 17:11). This is surely one aspect of what is meant by rightly dividing the Word of Truth (2 Timothy 2:15).

Prophetic books in the Old Testament were essentially about judgment (or the threat thereof). It would be wise to consult the prophetic books in the Old Testament for allusions and quotations and how they were used.

Well-known research by Merrill Tenney [professor of theological studies and dean of the Graduate School of Theology at Wheaton College] found that there are 348 clear references and allusions (so there could be more) to the Old Testament in Revelation. The breakdown was:

57 Pentateuch (5 books of Moses)
235 Prophets
56 Historical and Poetic Books

This does not include New Testament quotes and allusions, but so much depends on the Old Testament. So a good grasp on the Old Testament, especially the prophetic books, would be wise for proper understanding of the book of Revelation. It is maintained by this author that without a proper understanding of Old Testament prophecy, it would be difficult to understand New Testament prophecy.

Table 2: Old Testament Prophetic Books[1]:


Book
About whom (primarily)?
Major theme or threat:
1
Isaiah
Judah
Judgment
2
Jeremiah
Judah
Judgment
3
Daniel
Four beasts/kingdoms: Babylon, Medo-Persian, Greece, and Rome
Judgment and demise
4
Ezekiel
Jerusalem and others
Judgment
5
Joel
Judah and other nations
Judgment
6
Jonah
Nineveh
Judgment
7
Obadiah
Edom (Esau)
Judgment
8
Hosea
Israel
Judgment
9
Amos
Israel, Judah and other nations
Judgment
10
Micah
Judah, Israel, and Samaria
Judgment
11
Nahum
Nineveh
Judgment
12
Habakkuk
Judah
Judgment
13
Zephaniah
Judah and other nations
Judgment
14
Haggai
Jews who returned from captivity
Judgment of gentile nations and restoration from Judgment
15
Zechariah
Jews who returned from captivity
Restoration from Judgment, but future judgment
16
Malachi
Jews
Judgment

Do not forget that Revelation is a prophetic book of judgment. 12 of the 16 Old Testament books of prophecy were directed toward Israelite nations (e.g., Jews, Israel, Judah, Samaria, and Jerusalem) who were or had been in rebellion against God. The follow up question is simple. To whom is the major judgment about in Revelation?

[1.]  At the onset of the book of Revelation, we see judgmental words to six of the seven churches in Asia Minor (modern-day Turkey). But this is more of an encouragement to stand strong and endure until the coming judgment discussed further in the book (Revelation 1:11-4:1). 

[2.]  The majority of the book of Revelation discusses the judgment of the Harlot/Prostitute also figuratively called the “Great City”, Babylon, Sodom, Egypt, which is described as the place where the Lord was crucified (e.g., Revelation 11:8, 17:15-16, 19:2; see also Deuteronomy 28:27, 28:60, 29:23; Isaiah 1:9-10; 3:8-9; Jeremiah 23:14; Ezekiel 16:1-2, 16:44-58; Amos 4:10-11; Lamentations 4:6). In the judgment, the Harlot is destroyed by the very Beast she rides (Revelation 17:1-16).

[3.]  At the end of Revelation, we also see the final judgment of the great Dragon, Serpent of old, Devil, or Satan who is bound (restrained), then released, and then eternally cast into Hell (Revelation 20:2, 20:10). We also see the demise of the beast and the false prophet in Hell (Revelation 20:10), and the unbelievers for eternity (Revelation 20:12-15). This portion of the book is about the eternality of judgment and the eternality of life for those in Jesus Christ. 

More on these identifications in due time—for example on Day 20 is a discussion of the Harlot. 




[1] There were many prophets, including Moses; and there were other prophets, who wrote no books like Abel or Nathan.

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